bout carefulnes
dodane przez Roger B w Szwajcaria forum
Look, before this spins out of control, let's return to a lighter, less aggressive tone. Sorry for telling you about pissing off. That wasn't ok for a civilized discussion, I admit.
And sorry for defending my country, but it's the place I happen to be born, raised and be proud of. If you read my long replies (as mentioned somewhere before they get long, because in my opinion, complex issues sometimes require long answers - and if anything, Switzerland might be small but it sure is not a simple place to understand and I happen to spend a lot of time thinking, reading and discussing about a lot of topics that are raised here), I'm not appologetic for the facts you state. Yes, there is racism, yes there is this coolness and yes we do have many different problems in many different places. The sole thing I want is a somewhat more realistic depiction of how things are, be more down to earth when criticising and don't be carried away by anger. What I especially don't like is if I am automatically equaled with some red-meat, block-headed right-winger (which you basically do when saying "the Swiss are" or by extension of that "they" ) - Switzerland is more than just the SVP/UDC.
The point I want to carry across here too, is that if you look close enough, there is always something bugging you in a country, from Australia to Zambia. As with people, no country is perfect and has its follies, tragedies & challenges, something you could see from Abdullah (who by the way rather is Jordanian than Turkish judged by the flag) and his critique of the US.
Furthermore, as this topic naturally attracts those who have made negative experience more than those having experienced the opposite, I try to put a counter to all the criticism and post the view from an interested Swiss.
And by the way, no, I'm neither working for the government, nor am I paid by any other institution to defend Switzerland. I do this because I think this forum is a window to the world, it's important, it's because I think the right-wing tendencies, milk, chocolate and Swiss bank accounts (mostly with a negative connotation) are the only things you can hear about Switzerland in the news these days and therefore doesn't entirely reflect the truth in all its grayscales. And finally it's because I'm worried, deeply worried about where we're headed.
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- @ Faiz
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- @ Faiz
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- ouch
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- A piece of news from World Radio Switzerland
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- why ???
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- back with respect
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- Free democracy promoting racist and xenophobic campains aginst foreigners
- half the country?
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- of course part of the problem are the authorities
- @ Roger
- a question for roger
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- hi
- bout carefulnes
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- Since 1 year
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