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I just read a story on Spiegel online which shocked me: According to a new study, more than 14% of German teenagers can be considered as "anti-foreigners", while more than 5% fall into the category of the righ extreme with Nazi-tendencies.
Surprisingly, the bad reputation of foreigners seems to be higher in those regions with little foreigners (so those regions where people don't even know what they talk about!!!).
The original article is here: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,613844,00.h
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To me - this is just another example of human ignorance, but for a foreigners living in Germany, these numbers are pretty scary!
What are your opinions and personal experiences with the way Germans see foreigners?
Agreed!
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"Multiculturalism has failed in Germany and Europe because it is multiple cultures existing parallel but segregated and disconnected under the rule of the main culture. "
I totally agree.
What I don't know is, has it happened because Germans have not let foreigners assimilate (rejection), or do foreigners prefer to live separated from the rest of Germans and among others from the same country/culture, and then Germans don't like it?
I remember when I came to the US, to study, all the Spaniards ate together (me too), went to the movies together etc. We had our own little Spain in campus. Now I see that was not the best thing to do, but it was the easiest back then. Now I'm thinking, Americans probably thought we thought we were better so we kept to ourselves. Not right, but easy.
yes
yes she said multiculturalism in Germany has utterly failed. at least she was honest about it. but at the same time, Germany needs more skilled IT workers for example. even as recently as last week, I read another article about it on financial times or somewhere pretty legit. they also need more immigrants to keep their social welfare, though some of them do end up taking advantage of it instead of contributing to it. and a small number of Germans do want to change the racist image of Germany, so they ignore the facts and keep telling foreigners that racism in Germany isn't any worse than anywhere else.
the bottom line is, Germans aren't asking for more immigrants. the consequences have to be made clear to those who are immigrating to Germany rather than turning a blind eye to the rising racism in Germany. and then they can draw their own conclusions.
What is Multiculturalism.
によるポスト John Lovejoy に ドイツ フォーラム
America is not multicultural in the European sense but a melting pot.
Multiculturalism has failed in Germany and Europe because it is multiple cultures existing parallel but segregated and disconnected under the rule of the main culture.
That is what Merkel referred to and what has failed.
The class warfare and hierarchy or deeming some cultures worth more and others less equal and keeping them socially separated.
The very definition of racism.don't know
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I don't know anybody from Peru, and I don't think we have a lot of people from Peru in the US, so can't really make a comment on them at all.
I have some friends from Venezuela though, and they seem to be like us.
Didn't Angela Merkel say that multiculti has not worked just recently? I thought she was brave to say it aloud.
Experience
I've never been to Spain, so I can only speak from my own experience I've had with Spaniards I actually met. But based on that, you are describing what I already know. Argentines are predominantly white, and majority of Columbians are at least mixed with the indigenous people. You don't care for Peruvians either I guess. So why bother with them, right?
Btw, the Latinos I hang out with were all super friendly and very inclusive people. I couldn't find one reason to ignore or avoid any one of them.
You'll be fine in Germany. They have the same mentality. All I'm saying is, the government should listen to the people of Germany, rather than EC and the business community. The majority of Germans are saying Germany for Germans! What's wrong with that? Germany isn't America or Canada. And it's their country.
yes but...
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The part of Canada that speaks French started out like that, right? I mean, and I don't know a lot about history, never my favorite subject, but they were there from the beginning , right?
I think it's different when it is something due to massive illegal immigration as opposed to the way the country was created in the first place.
I can only imagine what an American feels going to Miami and feeling in a foreign country. That sucks! and it has to make you very mad.
I also have an accent here, but at least I have enough respect to learn it even with the accent. What bothers me is the people that come here, don't learn, and of course, they don't have to because they can go on using Spanish anyway.
And how can you be part of a country when you can't even understand the news? Sure, there are other news, but they will never be from the perspective of the US.
Languages
Ability to speak different languages only gives more possibilities in the future. I wish I learned more languages the way kids today do.
Btw, I'd like to point out that most Turks in Germany do speak German, sure with accents and grammar mistakes here and there, but no way it's anything remotely like the Chinese people in china town who can't speak English!
In Canada, we also press 2 for French on the phone. Everyone is fine with that.
In a multicultural society, it's OK if you are different and others are different. It only works in a few immigration based countries. The problem is, German government has been forcing it onto the Germans.
experience matters
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Of course we all form our opinions based on our own experiences. My experience is that Spain is a disaster in part because of how much time it's wasted on dealing with the languages issues. That creates a lot o problems among the regions, and a lot of waste.
Now they want translators in congress so each one can speak in his/her own co-official language, never mind they all speak Spanish. Why? divisiveness.
Of course I'm against having more then English in the US because I don't want to see here what we have in Spain.
About Spaniards avoiding Latinos, I will tell you that some Spaniards thing that the culture is very similar, others will say that the only thing in common is the language.
To me, it depends, I see Argentinians as Spaniards, only they are even more party loving I think. Now, take Colombia and I would say those people have nothing in common with us. Especially the women, that's a whole different culture.
Spanish
I don't know enough Spanish, but I know Latinos do speak their versions of Spanish. I know your Spanish is the original, but could it be that the Latinos are speaking Spanish with their dialect rather than speaking poorly?
I don't know you, or the Latinos in America you are talking about, so I don't want to be judgmental, but in the past, I met a lot of spaniards who had serious problems with Latinos. Fortunately I had a roommate from Spain, who wasn't racist at all, explained to me why those spaniards were totally ignoring and avoiding the Latinos, which seemed very odd to me because they speak the same language. Those spaniards also avoided other non white folks.
Could it be that the divisions in Spain you were talking about created that kind of insecurity in some spaniards?
I have seen those cartoons
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It's great your child speaks different languages, but the really important thing is that she speaks the language of where she lives.
I don't like Dora the explorer by the way. As I said, I believe in one country, one language. It's different in Spain because the languages were already there from the start, and still they are a problem anyway.