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I just read a story on Spiegel online which shocked me: According to a new study, more than 14% of German teenagers can be considered as "anti-foreigners", while more than 5% fall into the category of the righ extreme with Nazi-tendencies.
Surprisingly, the bad reputation of foreigners seems to be higher in those regions with little foreigners (so those regions where people don't even know what they talk about!!!).
The original article is here: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,613844,00.h
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To me - this is just another example of human ignorance, but for a foreigners living in Germany, these numbers are pretty scary!
What are your opinions and personal experiences with the way Germans see foreigners?
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によるポスト John Lovejoy に ドイツ フォーラム
@ G N
Actually many Americans are somewhat “ sloppy” about their English or write as they speak.
Which is no problem in the in US given the shear diversity of people from different backgrounds and the countless ways ( slang) they use to express themselves and doesn’t really bother anybody
Whereas in Germany the political correctness grammar and spelling police is constantly watching and dissecting every word, all too often quickly judging and jumping to conclusions based on their own narrow perceptions.@patrick eso
Agreed Rick towghi raised very some valid points
Claudio and Patrick
によるポスト 削除すみユーザー に ドイツ フォーラム
I haven't spoken on anybody's name but mine, that's for starters. Notice I said I DON'T and not WE don't.
And I said that I don't believe he is an American of any descend because I don't think any American of any descend would write such English.
Needed proof!!!
によるポスト patrick eso に ドイツ フォーラム
@claudio c
Agreed
I like your point.quote! "To seek to isolate an opponent by claiming hereto unproven unison with and membership of the majority...............logical bankruptcy".Some people feel that the possess the absolute mandate to speak for the rest of us. I have every right to believe these (Italian American).Freedom of speech.Everybody is entitled to his/her opinion anyway.I have a Question for G.N. what did you learn while you were the United states, or you were bussy visiting the Grand canion in Arizona like my Ex Mother in- law.I expect you to demonstrate global sense of approach to things. You rather very uncompromising in taughts in accessing people. Could I suggest you sound German!!!.I could be right.Because I found a lots of Germans are living in spain. When you read European history then you will understand your ancestors could as well be Italians or rather from North Africa(morocco or Algeria) before the Islamic conquest began. Take everybody here how the `ve identified themselve.I `m not asking you to accept my view point, but I saw the point @claudia c raised.
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To G.N.
Logical fallacy right there..
Just speak for yourself.
To seek to isolate an opponent by claiming hereto unproven unison with and membership of the majority is a base form of intellectual and logical bankruptcy. The ad-hominem just serves to reinforce this point.
If anyone should be ignored it is you.yeah right
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I don't believe for a second that you are an American of any descend, and from there, anything you may tell us.
German are more racist! No way around it
によるポスト Rick towghi に ドイツ フォーラム
I ran into this forum, and couldn't help not putting in my two cents.
"The Germans are not more racist than any other country in Western Europe. "
They are more racist than UK and France!I with two of my coworkers form our company that operates in number of countries, were in Germany France, and UK and spent about 6 months in each country. I am myself American of Italian (Sicilian) descent, one of my was coworker was Nigerian born American, and the other your typical Anglo-American.
Yes some Germans are just that excuses.
My Anglo colleague had did not encounter any hostility nor any discomforting stares, I did until they realized I was American, Nigerian Colleague was grudgingly treated politely when he was with us.Germans are rude, Don't give me this cr%%p, that they are reserve and once you get know them blah blah....I am sure once you got to Know Bin Ladin when he was alive, you probably would have found him to be on ok dude. Heck some of the worst criminals according to their neighbors who "knew" them were gentle and caring souls.
"What is happening is that the 30 years lost of non europeans have arrived, and a small part of then have been causing trouble. Im from Belgium: 45% of inmates in Belgian prisons are do not have the belgian nationality. And of those with the Belgian nationality: it was far too easy to get as an immigrant... I suscept similar number for germany.
Many came from poor areas in Turkey, Middle East etc. for example. "Nice excuse, Other than UK and to lesser degree France, Germany and Belgium allowed these nationalities to do their dirty work. What happens is that their children are not content to do the same dirty work. Unlike UK, it is impossible form those of 3rd country to get jobs which German Or Dutch etc is willing to do.
"They came to y continued to live here liike they lived in their country of origin, kids being loud out on the streets all day, men often unemployed hanging out together, in their own bars, casinos, markets (if you've been there u know what I mean:
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"So here you haver second generation children with a choice to continue to the sane dirty jobs, as their parents, or "if they don't like it they can leave." Well then these second generation have two choices, make living with crimes, or create their own communities. "
This whole excuses of Middle easter and Turks not willing to integrate is resentment that Turks and middle eastern rather raise their own communities than clean German/Dutch Toilets.
"life happens outside of the house much more than here) - which scares the Germans of course: "
Life happens for Germans and perhaps. The only life that happens for Turks and other immigrants is that of doing the menial job." Newspapers here full of criminal facts, more and more by immigrants coz there are ever more of them. "
Well, did you accept them to continue cleaning your toilets for ever?
When I first went to decent restaurant in Germany, I got shock of my life,
in Germany. As I walked I was asked more than once to clean their tables. Anyway I got my beer and and set on one of the tables, Needing to use the restroom, i left and comeback and say two elderly couple on my table. As I approached they pushed their empty plates. I ignored them and took my seat (Among them) and start to "enjoy" my beer. The look of confusion on their face was priceless. Then a poor Kurdish guy came and meekly cleaned the table, and looked at me, as if saying, Man are you trying to cause trouble.
SO this is answer to your"So what do you expect: of course the Germans will have a more negative attitude towards immigrants."
Sorry Germans themselves are not presenting much of positive feedback.
". A professor from Istanbul will be happily accepted here."
Of course he will be! But he became a professor i n Turkey. He can hobnob with his colleagues. I was treated well once they knew my background.
This makes them even worse,"On the other hand: women with a boerka: How can they contribute to society here?"
Contribute in what sense? My wife is house wife, and I think thats a great contribution! I am going to guess that Women with Burka probably stay home and help and be home maker. Or do you expect all immigrants to be doing your dirty work?
"That is what Germans ask. But it is not racism. "
Ask for what? Get rid of their Burka? Or to Contribute?
Does being a housewife or planning to become a housewife makes her useless to Germany?"Try and build a christian church in the Middle East. Impossible. "
You are an American aren't you? There are more Christan churches in middle east then Mosques in Europe!!! Mosque and church building in middle east is a local affair, when a sufficient number of faithful (whatever their faith maybe), think they need a church or mosque the petition for license and generally permit is granted cause it actually brings some income to the local govt. KSA is an exception.
The day when I went to basement terminal to take my flight to Strasbourg where I was with bunch of French, the day I felt among my fellow human beings! French can be RUDE, but they are mischievously rude........
によるポスト John Lovejoy に ドイツ フォーラム
@ claudio c
I wholeheartedly agree with the first part of your post.
But when you take an assignment in a foreign country for a certain amount of time, it is more than fair to share your impressions and experiences, is it not.
Which has nothing to do with personal space....
why do u expect people to understand this.. some people go through their entire lives never giving a thought to the subtleties of life..
even worse is many demonstrate a confidence in their beliefs that is in no way related to their efforts taken in testing those beliefs or indeed their capacity to.
ignorance is bliss and the acceptance that people tend towards this state is part of parcel of someone like you finding your own.Agreed
Mostly I agree with what you said. Their lack of empathy is what makes Germans so... you know. Lol But I got the feeling they are picking on the ethnic minorities now because immigrants are easy to target, but if Germany got rid of all the minorities, they would find other targets, maybe the disabled, the poor, women, etc. So then, that wouldn't make them necessarily xenophobic, still a discrimination nonetheless.
And I'm not sure if the excess bureaucracy is the cause of their lack of empathy. It seems like it's more to do with their upbringing than anything else. The extreme examples of social engineering are the communist / socialist countries, and Cubans and Vietnamese are nothing like Germans for example. Although I see the same kind of robotness in the Chinese and the Germans.
Facts
I had no idea what had actually happened, I jumped the gun there. (no pun intended) Thanks for sharing the detail. Lovejoy is right about the use of guns.
I have been anti-gun for a long time, which was also the reason why I chose Canada over the US, but lately I'm seeing the reasons why Americans and the Swiss carry guns...